What separates a good leader from a great one? These in-depth interviews with some of family medicine's most influential leaders provide insight into pivotal experiences that boosted leadership skills and provided unprecedented opportunities for personal growth. In this episode, Dr Saccocio discusses ways to work through the ups and downs of work and life with Dr English Gonzalez.This episode was released on December 1, 2021.This series of podcasts is sponsored by the Society of Teachers of Family Medicine (STFM), the academic home for family medicine educators. Copyright © Society of Teachers of Family Medicine, 2021